SPOILER ALERT: don’t read if you haven’t yet watched”Patty,” the penultimate episode of”The fantastic location.”

The titular excellent location on Mike Schur’s philosophical humor”The fantastic Place” is not a literal place at all but rather a frame of mind.

Sure, following four seasons (50 episodes) the figures on the series did have a hot balloon trip to paradise — although the series does not call it that — but once they got there, they immediately realized it wasn’t all it was cracked up to be. Rather, what could make the time there value spending was the spirits there believed that they might decide when the time came to a conclusion.

Can”The fantastic Place” merely promote death ?

“If you think of an idea that’s based purely in doctrine, you can help but consider death with dignity, you can not help but consider how people exist on Earth as well as the options they occasionally must create when their lives are in decline or in catastrophe. It surely does touch on this; there is no wonder we spoke about a great deal — we all looked at each one the various philosophical and political consequences of the idea,” Schur informs Variety.

From the penultimate episode of”The fantastic location,” qualified”Patty,” Michael (Ted Danson), the people that he was in charge of torturing, and the afterlife’s helper, Janet (D’Arcy Carden) discovered the inhabitants of this fantastic location in such dire straits that the committee accountable for it defected their articles, tricking Michael to signing a record to getting the new boss. Meanwhile, the remaining souls were around for centuries and”when perfection continues forever, you turn into this glass-eyed mush individual,” said historical philosopher and mathematician Hypatia of Alexandria (played by guest star Lisa Kudrow).

As Eleanor (Kristen Bell) put it”You have been around a never-ending holiday, and holidays are just special because they finish.” So Michael, recalling something Eleanor had told him about people are always a bit sad due to their awareness of departure looming, instituted a remedy: They’d establish a new sort of door which, once walked , could end a individual’s time in the world. The thought had been modeled on the green doors that the fantastic place had that enabled people to walk into any moment and place.

“You headed good lives. You got your place . So remain as long as you’d like, make use of the green doorways to see and do everything that you wish to see and do, and if you are ready, walk through a final door and be at peace,” Michael stated.

claims Schur:”It begins as everything on this series do with doctrine. A good deal of the reading we did and lots of the talks we had more than four years was relating to this inevitable fact that any edition of eternity is poor; you cannot design a lifetime that’s satisfying because when matters go on eternally everything loses significance. We spoke about a great deal in the series, and at the next season Michael needed to have an existential tragedy and face the notion of passing so for him to possess an understanding of exactly what the hell they were talking about when they spoke about ethical decision-making. When we were speaking about these really reaching the fantastic location for real, it was just like,’But the best way to throw the curveball is that when you are in the authentic heaven, if it goes on indefinitely, everyone’s sad.'”

Here, Schur talks with Variety about the way the authors’ area came to the conclusion that decision is so crucial, even in the afterlife, in the event the door is literal, and the reason why this penultimate episode of this series was tougher to decode than the finale.

Which were the talks or worries about the politics about telling a narrative which allows its characters to select if they will stop to exist within the world?

I really don’t believe we had some, frankly. We understood very fast in discussing the narrative this can be echoing a real life political and ethical question people confront a lot and that’s been hotly debated, but it is not the first time that has happened. A few episodes before when they are attempting to redesign the afterlife and Chidi [William Jackson Harper] is speaking about that Judith Sklar article”Putting Cruelty First,” he specifically says there is a difficulty in real life moral justice — that is that individuals commit crimes which aren’t unkind and their punishment is cruel. There is an asymmetry there. That’s extremely clearly and knowingly attempting to become a discussion concerning criminal justice in the usa and elsewhere. And among the most interesting facets of making this series is that we had all these guest lecturers come in to teach these courses, and if we had been breaking that portion of this season we’d DeRay Mckesson come in and he spoke about Black Lives Issue, he spoke about criminal justice reform — and especially the concept of how cruel punishments have been in America for offenses committed that are certainly not cruel. This was really extreme and enjoyable and interesting and gave us a great deal to chew on. We always begin from the perspective of those characters and the world they are in, however, the interesting component of this series is if it overlapped with actual things because that is when the rubber of abstract doctrine meets the street of genuine life. This was one of these times.

Are there some resistance in the writers’ area to the concept that even in heaven if something went forever it would wind up spoiling?

There actually was not, in part because it was baked into each one the additional work we’d done during the four decades. Our”break glass in case of emergency and call this individual” philosophical adviser Todd May wrote a book that has been quite formative for us known as”Death” which was essentially about the disappointing feeling of immortality. And he cites a great deal of philosophical works as well as literal functions — there is a narrative by [Jorge Luis] Borges known as”The Immortal” in which this man is looking for the fountain of youth and he also keeps running in these homunculi, old, crippled creatures which are only drifting around endlessly in this publication, and he gradually realizes that these are individuals who have found the fountain of youth and also have assembled this maze to prevent others from discovering it since they’re so miserable that they need to live indefinitely. So from the start we have actually felt like there is no edition of eternity which operates. Todd states, in his publication, that mortality provides meaning to our lives and morality helps us navigate our lives. So this is a unanimous choice. I believe we had seen the important facts of the and, incidentally, to not get too deep in the weeds, but I’d done lots of reading really early on — until I wrote the pilot about different spiritual conceptions of the afterlife, that can be intriguing, and the one which stuck with me the most had been in Hinduism that the notion of karma and then in Buddhism, the notion where you are someone who makes great decisions and you also get great karmic chips on your account then you’re reborn and you also go up the ladder and you are getting closer and closer to perfection — to nirvana — and finally you nail it and you also turn into a god. But what happens is you are not a god indefinitely: you hang out but after awhile you consume that store of good karma and it begins. In Hinduism, after you perfect the practice of being a person, you do not get to chill indefinitely in the ideal edition. So we are far from the first people to indicate that eternity is debatable!

Does the door must be literal, or can it be sufficient to permit these spirits to believe there is that option?

Tahani claims this — but their concept is they don’t need to go through that doorway, but only maybe the fact you know it’s will have you enjoy your time longer. I really don’t wish to spoil something about the finale, but this was the notion of this event: we are only going to tell you there is an alternative. The issue with the way they were responding to their environment was that they had been immobilized. It had been the eternal variant of gold handcuffs: what is ideal, and there’s absolutely no choice for it to not be, and this becomes a bummer.

What’s the temptation for you personally in the writers’ area, if it’s a literal doorway, to need to see outside until the show ends?

That gets to the finale just a bit, but yeah, the primary problem they must fix is that nothing like this exists. They must make it, and then other stuff happens.

How can you develop integrating Hypatia, aka the titular”Patty,” to this event as the one which unlocks Eleanor and Chidi’s eyes to the issues with heaven?

It is funny because we knew going because nobody had gotten in 500 years, therefore a good deal of Chidi’s personalities were outside. He is also into early Greek philosophy, so we were like,”Who’d be likely to get in?” We moved back and we looked in Aristotle and Socrates and Plato and Diogenes — and this individual and that individual — and the fact is is that as colorful as these guys were, a great deal of the things they did was defend captivity. There was lots of slavery in ancient Greece, and there certainly were plenty of — as always happens — strong, entrenched structures that resulted in the wonderful thinkers of this time being like,”No no, here is why it is fine.” And so we sort of did a poll of each the philosophers we understood, and we shipped Todd and Pamela Hieronymi, who teaches at UCLA, an email that said,”OK, here is the scenario: On the DL when they got to the fantastic location and there was one individual from the ancient world — just one thinker — which you believe could have done enough to get in, that would be?” And immediately the two of these stated Hypatia of Alexandria — that I hadn’t ever heard of before, I am not ashamed to acknowledge. She was a true man, and she had been a scientist and a mathematician and an artist and a philosopher and a fantastic thinker and possibly the first actual feminist of notice, and she was not pro-slavery. She was super cool and the more people see about it, it made great sense. And it became really funny as the means to do this is to play with it as how some individuals can feel when fulfilling Zendaya or even Angelina Jolie, that is how Chidi will feel when fulfilling Hypatia of Alexandria, so it all sort of lined up perfectly.

After we made the character knew she needed to become foggy-brained and take this comedic tone, and Lisa was the only person who made sense for it. I used to work on”The Comeback” a thousand decades back, and I sent her an email and asked her if she would take action. She was vacationing with her loved ones, ironically I believe in Greece, and she was like,”That really is really is a sign” So she came and did it was beautiful, as she always is.

Before they arrived into the thought about developing a doorway, Michael looked via the committee of the previous suggestions to produce heaven more exciting lasting, and among those that stuck outside to their whiteboard had been”get chocolate .” Where did this come from?

I wish I can tell you; I can not recall who came up with it. However, the concept that at the fantastic place they are human beings and do not fundamentally understand the advantage of mortality, the thought was that”longer” was all they could produce. It looked like the ideal bad idea — perhaps if we only made chocolate chocolatey, which would somehow be gratifying. This was a fantastic illustration of quite simplistic considering what may be wrong with all the men and women in the fantastic location.

The incident ends on this sweet moment, especially for Eleanor and Chidi but with all the feeling that everybody will probably be OK and that there’s still a great deal of time they’ll spend together. Which are the challenges of wrap the true show up with an identical gratifying feeling within another installment?

Finales are almost always hard and have stress on them for a variety of reasons, and we are in this world — and have been for awhile — where not only is each display inspected, but people have this expectation that the finale will be the best event, that is quite funny. It is nearly impossible for this to be the situation as it is the end of something and finales need to do a great deal of work that many ordinary episodes do not. However, to mepersonally, I believe that the toughest episode to split was that one because a lot happens. They reach the fantastic location for actual, which is something you have been waiting for for four decades! And there’s a massive problem they must fix and we have to put up what happens in the finale. So this is a hot topic of discussion the entire year: how can we put all in place for us to the stage where we could perform this episode nicely? We had a fantastic awareness of exactly what the finale could be fairly early on, and we knew it’d be challenging for every one the motives finales are hard, but I was worried about this particular one.

You not-so-long past wrapped up”Parks and Recreation” by waving ahead in the finale to demonstrate where characters ended up. Now you’ve got a series where characters will live out that knows how long with each other prior to stepping through a mysterious door. Can you feel pressure to flash ahead together, also, or was there any concern about needing to do things differently as they’re such distinct shows?

A little bit, I think, but each display is extremely different and all of them have various topics and ideas floating about, and I feel that the series and its own tone will always indicate what the finale ought to be. “Parks and Rec” was permanently positive in the face of quite a bleak world — local authorities. The subject of the series was,”Put your nose to the grindstone, do the job, find great people who you adore and will utilize, and if you place in the job, finally, you’re going to be rewarded, even if the payoff is miniature. You need to cling to the tiny, small minutes to feel as though you did a fantastic job.” I believe that the task of the finale of a comedy would be to finish the deal that you created with the crowd, that is to say,”we would like to reveal that the people that you’ve finally come to care about and consider, you would like to think they are OK.” That is why for decades each romantic comedy in Hollywood finished with just two people getting married; the difficult work and daily pressure of union aren’t what folks are interested in humor. The union functions as the happy end. “Do not consider what happens next!” So you just sort of follow the topics of this series and concoct a finale that suggests everybody’s going to be OK. For”Parks and Rec” it made sense to leap through time to observe just how Leslie [Amy Poehler] had influenced each one these folks. We did exactly the exact same thing: we only explained,”What are we telling? Which will be the characters curious about, what are they chasing?”

“The fantastic Position” series finale airs Jan. 30 on NBC.